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	<title>Comments on: Measles deaths, pre-vaccine</title>
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	<description>Meddling with things mankind is not meant to understand.  Also, pictures of my kids</description>
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		<title>By: Federico</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-180596</link>
		<dc:creator>Federico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 20:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me,
how could you find data about measles UK deaths from the &quot;Annual report of the Registrar-General for England and Wales, Volume 70&quot;? 
I&#039;m not able to access it.
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me,<br />
how could you find data about measles UK deaths from the &#8220;Annual report of the Registrar-General for England and Wales, Volume 70&#8243;?<br />
I&#8217;m not able to access it.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anyone familiar with the autism/vaccine debate? - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 74 - City-Data Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anyone familiar with the autism/vaccine debate? - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 74 - City-Data Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So this is the FIRST FRAUD, but just the starting point.    This is beautifully debunked here:   Measles deaths, pre-vaccine &#124; Mystery Rays from Outer Space  Read the whole 5 part series!  This (the drop in deaths ---Suzy Q) had nothing to do with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So this is the FIRST FRAUD, but just the starting point.    This is beautifully debunked here:   Measles deaths, pre-vaccine | Mystery Rays from Outer Space  Read the whole 5 part series!  This (the drop in deaths &#8212;Suzy Q) had nothing to do with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Analysis of Anti-Vax Graphs &#124; The Vaccine Times</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-71435</link>
		<dc:creator>Analysis of Anti-Vax Graphs &#124; The Vaccine Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source: http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source: http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Analysis of Anti-Vax Graphs &#171; VACCINE CENTRAL</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-71051</link>
		<dc:creator>Analysis of Anti-Vax Graphs &#171; VACCINE CENTRAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source: http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source: http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iayork</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-50751</link>
		<dc:creator>iayork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact I discuss this very extensively, in a week&#039;s worth of posts, in the link at the very top of this page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact I discuss this very extensively, in a week&#39;s worth of posts, in the link at the very top of this page.</p>
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		<title>By: Jermutin</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-50740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jermutin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in for example England and Wales, the statistics tell that measles deaths fell by over 99 % before vaccinating started. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in for example England and Wales, the statistics tell that measles deaths fell by over 99 % before vaccinating started. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jermutin</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-50737</link>
		<dc:creator>Jermutin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this is an incorrect display of measles figures. In 1912 the deaths-to-cases ratio in US was 2.551. By 1963 the ratio had dropped to 0.085. This is over 25 times lower before the vaccine was licenced. (And remember it of course took a while to get the population mass-vaccinated. After 1963 the deaths-to-cases ratio actually increased for some years, and after this, It settled around 0.04-0.1.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Sure, the overall cases have come down a lot. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/files/DailyNews/January2002/CDCMeaslesDataPage1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/fi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/files/DailyNews/January2002/CDCMeaslesDataPage2.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/fi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, I think it would be fair to say that the measles vaccine effect is not that dramatic as portrayed by many pro-vac people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this is an incorrect display of measles figures. In 1912 the deaths-to-cases ratio in US was 2.551. By 1963 the ratio had dropped to 0.085. This is over 25 times lower before the vaccine was licenced. (And remember it of course took a while to get the population mass-vaccinated. After 1963 the deaths-to-cases ratio actually increased for some years, and after this, It settled around 0.04-0.1.</p>
<p> Sure, the overall cases have come down a lot. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/files/DailyNews/January2002/CDCMeaslesDataPage1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/fi&#8230;</a><br /><a href="http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/files/DailyNews/January2002/CDCMeaslesDataPage2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vaccinationnews.com/sites/default/fi&#8230;</a></p>
<p>So, I think it would be fair to say that the measles vaccine effect is not that dramatic as portrayed by many pro-vac people.</p>
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		<title>By: Medicodiurgenza</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-50723</link>
		<dc:creator>Medicodiurgenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. Thank you from Italy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. Thank you from Italy</p>
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		<title>By: colleen pearson</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-46347</link>
		<dc:creator>colleen pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my little sister has measles but i have never had them. i have had all my jabs but will i still catch it? am i save being in the same house as her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my little sister has measles but i have never had them. i have had all my jabs but will i still catch it? am i save being in the same house as her?</p>
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		<title>By: iayork</title>
		<link>http://www.iayork.com/MysteryRays/2009/09/02/measles-deaths-pre-vaccine/comment-page-1/#comment-43191</link>
		<dc:creator>iayork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;EM&gt;You would be well-served by learning a bit about the history of sanitary engineering in the US and Europe after 1915, particularly the introduction of slow sand filters and chlorine treatment units.&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sanitation had surprisingly little to do with the amazing drops in measles mortality in the early to mid 20th century. The full reasons remain unclear but nutrition, crowding, and probably (in Europe) demographic changes related to WWII probably were the most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You would be well-served by learning a bit about the history of sanitary engineering in the US and Europe after 1915, particularly the introduction of slow sand filters and chlorine treatment units.</em></p>
<p>Sanitation had surprisingly little to do with the amazing drops in measles mortality in the early to mid 20th century. The full reasons remain unclear but nutrition, crowding, and probably (in Europe) demographic changes related to WWII probably were the most important.</p>
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